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		<title>By: Anil Dewani</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1184/comment-page-1#comment-415739</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil Dewani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to programming. Thanks a lot for the post. it helped me in one of my projects</description>
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		<title>By: Zend Framework Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aus den Zend Framework Blogs</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1184/comment-page-1#comment-414879</link>
		<dc:creator>Zend Framework Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aus den Zend Framework Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Paul M. Jones greift den Beitrag von Michelangelo auf und vergleicht die Zend Framework Models mit den Solar Framework Models. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul M. Jones » Blog Archive » Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models &#124; Future of Solar Panels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul M. Jones » Blog Archive » Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models &#124; Future of Solar Panels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] original post here: Paul M. Jones » Blog Archive » Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nate Abele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Abele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful Jones, now you&#039;ve made yourself a target.

Good luck. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful Jones, now you&#8217;ve made yourself a target.</p>
<p>Good luck. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Jones&#8217; Blog: Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models &#124; Webs Developer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Jones&#8217; Blog: Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models &#124; Webs Developer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jones has added a new post to his blog today (in response to this one from Michelangelo van Dam about models in Zend [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pmjones</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michelangelo,

Re: &quot;my code is written as a source for improvement and not to be considered as a quality standard&quot; -- yeah, that makes sense, and I took it as such. :-)  Even so, all the ZF model code that I see tends to look like that; e.g., the Zend quick-start guide does mostly the same thing (models, mappers, etc).

Your (Michelangelo&#039;s) article was of particular interest to me because it includes relationship data, and because you do such a good job of narrating your experience and showing the results (with full code download, no less).  I thought it was a good example of what a real ZF codebase looks like when you begin to do non-trivial modelling.  So, thanks for having written it in the first place.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michelangelo,</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;my code is written as a source for improvement and not to be considered as a quality standard&#8221; &#8212; yeah, that makes sense, and I took it as such. :-)  Even so, all the ZF model code that I see tends to look like that; e.g., the Zend quick-start guide does mostly the same thing (models, mappers, etc).</p>
<p>Your (Michelangelo&#8217;s) article was of particular interest to me because it includes relationship data, and because you do such a good job of narrating your experience and showing the results (with full code download, no less).  I thought it was a good example of what a real ZF codebase looks like when you begin to do non-trivial modelling.  So, thanks for having written it in the first place.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: abcphp.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>abcphp.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models &#124; Paul M. Jones...&lt;/strong&gt;

Today, Michelangelo van Dam posted this narrative relating his experience with Zend Framework models:...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Solar Models vs. Zend Framework Models | Paul M. Jones&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Today, Michelangelo van Dam posted this narrative relating his experience with Zend Framework models:&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michelangelo van Dam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelangelo van Dam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pmjones, @bryan,

I&#039;d like the idea since I&#039;ve heard so much about Doctrine with Zend Framework and I too would like to see it based on my example to have a good comparison and most importantly a good understanding on how it all relates to each other.

I&#039;m looking forward to see some articles about this concept and I will in my turn investigate both tracks: Solar and ZF + Doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pmjones, @bryan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like the idea since I&#8217;ve heard so much about Doctrine with Zend Framework and I too would like to see it based on my example to have a good comparison and most importantly a good understanding on how it all relates to each other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to see some articles about this concept and I will in my turn investigate both tracks: Solar and ZF + Doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: pmjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan -- I&#039;d be interested to see a step-by-step translation of the example from Michelangelo for Doctrine + Zend so we can have a good comparison of the work involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan &#8212; I&#8217;d be interested to see a step-by-step translation of the example from Michelangelo for Doctrine + Zend so we can have a good comparison of the work involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But none of these compare to using Doctrine with Zend. I&#039;m using Doctrine 1.2 with ZF 1.9 right now on production projects and experimenting with Doctrine 2.0 with the others. 

If you really want easy to create models, go with Doctrine. I&#039;m building my base model classes by hand and not YAML because I want more control but the way Doctrine handles building the schema in the backend is great not only for development but testing as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But none of these compare to using Doctrine with Zend. I&#8217;m using Doctrine 1.2 with ZF 1.9 right now on production projects and experimenting with Doctrine 2.0 with the others. </p>
<p>If you really want easy to create models, go with Doctrine. I&#8217;m building my base model classes by hand and not YAML because I want more control but the way Doctrine handles building the schema in the backend is great not only for development but testing as well.</p>
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