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		<title>By: Pieter</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-418686</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;m always wondering about... What&#039;s up with all the underscores!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;m always wondering about&#8230; What&#8217;s up with all the underscores!</p>
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		<title>By: Christof Coetzee</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-416791</link>
		<dc:creator>Christof Coetzee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been developing with Zend Framework for quite some time now, and must say that that MVC in general is the way forward.
There are many other PHP MVC frameworks thats been available long before Zend Framework - CakePHP, Code Igniter etc.

But one thing you must understand is that the Zend Framework has the Zend company as well as IBM behind it, which is a huge advantage in terms of support, future availability, and quality code.

Magento (one of the leading ecommerce platforms) also uses Zend Framework as part of the stack, Magento&#039;s  decision to use ZF as appose to other frameworks was a clear-cut one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been developing with Zend Framework for quite some time now, and must say that that MVC in general is the way forward.<br />
There are many other PHP MVC frameworks thats been available long before Zend Framework &#8211; CakePHP, Code Igniter etc.</p>
<p>But one thing you must understand is that the Zend Framework has the Zend company as well as IBM behind it, which is a huge advantage in terms of support, future availability, and quality code.</p>
<p>Magento (one of the leading ecommerce platforms) also uses Zend Framework as part of the stack, Magento&#8217;s  decision to use ZF as appose to other frameworks was a clear-cut one.</p>
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		<title>By: Solar 1.0 lanzado&#160;&#124;&#160;Matias Aracena</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-415253</link>
		<dc:creator>Solar 1.0 lanzado&#160;&#124;&#160;Matias Aracena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Después de 5 años de trabajo su principal desarrollador finalmente anunció así el lanzamiento de la versión 1.0 estable del framework para PHP5 Solar. Sus novedades son muy interesantes y las diapositivas de su presentación oficial en la conferecia ConFoo ya están disponibles. Sin embargo, mucho más interesante lo es la actitud de su autor, Paul M. Jones, que literalmente dice en su  blog que &#8220;el futuro del Zend Framework es Solar&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Después de 5 años de trabajo su principal desarrollador finalmente anunció así el lanzamiento de la versión 1.0 estable del framework para PHP5 Solar. Sus novedades son muy interesantes y las diapositivas de su presentación oficial en la conferecia ConFoo ya están disponibles. Sin embargo, mucho más interesante lo es la actitud de su autor, Paul M. Jones, que literalmente dice en su  blog que &#8220;el futuro del Zend Framework es Solar&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Devon</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-414954</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to say what Padraic did about Doctrine...

If you AREN&#039;T planning to use Doctrine or similar project, I think you will regret it. Getting the required expertise to do well what Doctrine does is harder probably than building the entire rest of your framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to say what Padraic did about Doctrine&#8230;</p>
<p>If you AREN&#8217;T planning to use Doctrine or similar project, I think you will regret it. Getting the required expertise to do well what Doctrine does is harder probably than building the entire rest of your framework.</p>
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		<title>By: zelnaga</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-414939</link>
		<dc:creator>zelnaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ironic that proponents of this framework would dismiss Zend as being over-engineered when this blogs own caption is &quot;If it&#039;s worth doing, it&#039;s worth over-doing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that proponents of this framework would dismiss Zend as being over-engineered when this blogs own caption is &#8220;If it&#8217;s worth doing, it&#8217;s worth over-doing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Riggen</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-414876</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Riggen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche, Mr Paul Jones! Great cheer leading and great work on your framework. Sorry I&#039;m late to the lunch line on this one but glad I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche, Mr Paul Jones! Great cheer leading and great work on your framework. Sorry I&#8217;m late to the lunch line on this one but glad I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zend Framework Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aus den Zend Framework Blogs</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-414172</link>
		<dc:creator>Zend Framework Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aus den Zend Framework Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] M. Jones befasst sich mit der Roadmap zum Zend Framework 2.0 und behauptet, die Zukunft liege im Solar Framework. Die Resonanz ließ nicht lange auf sich [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] M. Jones befasst sich mit der Roadmap zum Zend Framework 2.0 und behauptet, die Zukunft liege im Solar Framework. Die Resonanz ließ nicht lange auf sich [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dreese</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at Solar on and off since its genesis.  I started using the Savant template system years ago -- I think it was a 1.x release -- and have built some major commercial sites using it (and a custom MVSish framework).  I finally started a new project earlier this year that allowed me to choose a new framework.  I wanted to go with Solar, but b/c breaking changes were still being made and I banged my head against the no documentation situation for longer than my schedule allowed.  

I started using Zend and found it pretty easy to get going.  The documentation and community that has been mentioned in these comments provided what I needed at the time.  That said, I would definitely consider Solar for a future project, as I don&#039;t need the Lucene, Twitter, etc. support that some use as examples of Zend being more complete.  I would actually prefer to scale back to a more lightweight framework at this point.

What would help me is a migration guide -- something that illustrates &quot;in Zend you to , but in Solar you do .&quot;  This might sound petty, but I have been doing this long enough that I dread learning yet another way to do essentially the same thing.  All my web apps interact with a database, populate template variables, collect form data, parse xml, make http requests, etc.  

Some people relish the idea of learning a new language/framework/paradigm.  Maybe I&#039;m getting old, but I just want to get to the finished product these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at Solar on and off since its genesis.  I started using the Savant template system years ago &#8212; I think it was a 1.x release &#8212; and have built some major commercial sites using it (and a custom MVSish framework).  I finally started a new project earlier this year that allowed me to choose a new framework.  I wanted to go with Solar, but b/c breaking changes were still being made and I banged my head against the no documentation situation for longer than my schedule allowed.  </p>
<p>I started using Zend and found it pretty easy to get going.  The documentation and community that has been mentioned in these comments provided what I needed at the time.  That said, I would definitely consider Solar for a future project, as I don&#8217;t need the Lucene, Twitter, etc. support that some use as examples of Zend being more complete.  I would actually prefer to scale back to a more lightweight framework at this point.</p>
<p>What would help me is a migration guide &#8212; something that illustrates &#8220;in Zend you to , but in Solar you do .&#8221;  This might sound petty, but I have been doing this long enough that I dread learning yet another way to do essentially the same thing.  All my web apps interact with a database, populate template variables, collect form data, parse xml, make http requests, etc.  </p>
<p>Some people relish the idea of learning a new language/framework/paradigm.  Maybe I&#8217;m getting old, but I just want to get to the finished product these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert P</title>
		<link>http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/1113/comment-page-1#comment-413833</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;not writing about the framework. You can help with that if you like&quot;

I probably would contribute, but I can&#039;t justify the time it would take to learn Solar due to its lack of documentation.

But still, kudos on what appears to be a very mature framework. And on route rewriting making it to the beta release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not writing about the framework. You can help with that if you like&#8221;</p>
<p>I probably would contribute, but I can&#8217;t justify the time it would take to learn Solar due to its lack of documentation.</p>
<p>But still, kudos on what appears to be a very mature framework. And on route rewriting making it to the beta release.</p>
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		<title>By: Federico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Federico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m training you for the next framework shootout :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m training you for the next framework shootout :)</p>
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